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Small Acts, Big Impact: Elevating Safety and Mental Health with Dr. Keita Franklin

Small Acts, Big Impact: Elevating Safety and Mental Health with Dr. Keita Franklin

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In recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, we’re proud to feature an inspiring conversation with our returning guest, Dr. Keita Franklin. Drawing from fascinating research in her latest book, The Humanity Cure: How Small Acts Can Change the World, we explore how small, intentional acts of care can make a significant impact on workplace safety and mental health. Dr. Franklin discusses how being present, showing compassion, and fostering a sense of belonging can create meaningful change across entire organizations and communities. She also highlights the critical link between mental health and safety, emphasizing how frontline leaders who demonstrate active care, along with peers who consistently support one another, help build psychologically safe workplaces where people feel valued, engaged, and committed to working safely. We also explore the transformative ripple effect of small acts of kindness and how helping others fuels a cycle of connection, resilience, and forward momentum. Don’t miss this impactful episode as we take a deep dive into how small acts can make a big impact in elevating both safety and mental health.

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Hi and welcome to the Safety Guru. Today I’m very excited to have with me Dr. Keita Franklin, who’s back with us on the show. She has spent decades supporting active duty and veterans. She’s now in the private sector as an author. We’ll talk about your book very soon; the Human How Small Acts Can Change the World. She’s also with Columbia University as part of the Columbia Lighthouse Project. Keita, welcome to the show. Very excited to have you with me. 

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

So, let’s get started in terms of maybe a little bit of your background and how you got into this space and then we’ll get into the meat of the topic about the small acts that can change the world.

Yes, I spent a full career working with the active-duty population and their families and veterans, mostly around topics related to trauma, child welfare, sexual assault prevention, domestic violence. And then in the last probably 10 plus years I was more narrowly focused on suicide prevention and working on hard issues around public health approaches to saving lives with active duty and veterans. And so, I’m now in private sector but I continue to work across a host of vulnerable populations on these types of issues.

So, so let’s get into this element around how small acts can change the world because I think it’s an incredibly powerful topic. One because we’re releasing this as it’s mental health awareness month. But also, your book is, is being released hopefully this month, hopefully at roughly the same time as the episode launches. So, tell me a little bit about how small acts can change the world.

Yes, you know, I, after I shared with you, you know, I had this full career and you know, really focused in many cases on to include like leading at the national level and doing a lot around evidence-based practices. And it occurred to me probably about two years ago that, you know, we’ve had this sort of chronic problem in the field of mental health where we’ll never have enough providers to meet the demand in our field. There’s a lot of people struggling with issues, depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress and we’ll just never meet the demand. And coupled with that, I started thinking about like, what do I know to be true? That is very much at the core of helping people feel better, helping people feel like they’re well. And I know some basic things that I think we just weren’t leveraging enough. And so, it occurred to me that I should pull these stories together and really write about it. And those concepts are really basic concepts that we’re not doing enough, like connecting with one another, making sure people feel like they belong, showing a sense of compassion, just sort of showing up, being present for people.

So, there are a couple of things that I see started sort of themes over the years and I pulled them all together. And I really sort of argue in the book that if we were doing all of these things and we were doing them well, we would likely release some of the burden on mental health because everybody might not need to go to this sort of high and right clinical intervention if they just sort of felt supported day to day. So that was some of the early thinking or early concepts behind the book.

Sure. And tell me a little bit about as well, the ripple effects of these small acts.

Yes. So, as I start digging into the research, this is like probably a no brainer to you, but I started digging into the research and I intuitively knew that when you help others, it feels good to you.

Right.

And you feel like you’re doing a good thing. And it’s, you know, over the years I knew that volunteerism is sort of something we can do to eliminate depression, getting people out, getting them feeling like they’re, you know, paying it forward in their communities. So, I knew this. But in, until I got into the research, did I really start to understand the power of the reciprocal nature between helping others and how it helps you, but also when you help others, they tend to then help others. And it just creates this ripple effect in families and workplaces and society where helping others creates a bit of a momentum where people then feel more empowered to, to pay it forward. And there’s just so much goodness that comes from that sort of ripple effect.

Fascinating. And it makes sense, right? Because. Absolutely. More when you’re doing something positive for someone else, you feel good, but also that another person feels good. And then you had a story about a coffee line as well and how that connects with the small acts.

Yes. You know, so I was in the throes of writing this book and I’m in the research and I’m really looking at things like, you know, early research on like big Brothers and big sisters and how people get assigned a mentor and how that can be life changing. And I’m, you know, pulling the thread. And I, funny enough, I’m in a conversation with my own father about it. And you know, he’s a Vietnam air veteran and I’m sharing this with him and I’m talking about just the power of just like a single conversation. Like it doesn’t have to be a long relationship, but sometimes you can just have a conversation in a coffee line. So, I’m in this conversation with my father and he’s driving back from Virginia to Maine, and he says to me, you know, I stopped off at the exit and I, I tried your method that you told me. I got into a conversation with this woman in line in front of me in the coffee line. And initially I’m thinking, oh goodness, dad, what are you doing? Right. So, he tells me that he got into this conversation and it was awkward at first and you know, he doesn’t know the person, it’s a stranger, but it was a pleasant conversation.

And then he got up to pay for his coffee, and the person had decided to pay, pay for him. And you know, we’ve all heard stories like that. But the important part for me was that my father then got to the car and phoned me and said, you know, I, I tried your method and I felt really good about it. You know, I felt like I had this positive interaction and for her, like she was by herself. You know, she was in line, she was, you know, he told me she was buying a gallon of water. I don’t know why she would need a whole gallon. But you know, we had a great conversation, and he felt good doing it. And then she obvious felt good. You know, she ended up treating dad to a cup of coffee. And I thought, well, you see, that’s a tiny little micro action in action, sort of what I’ve been talking about in the book. So countless stories like that though, where you see, where people have a small moment of exchange when you don’t know, like, maybe they’re feeling very fragmented that day or they’re feeling isolated or lonely.

And then they see someone who smiled at them and said hello. And they’ll say later, like this small act just like change their whole day, which then changed the next day, which then helped somebody else. And I just could not be more excited about those sorts of examples.

It’s ironic when you mention this because I was actually listening to an episode of Tony Robbins and he’s telling over the weekend and he was Telling this story around a small act, a small moment that he made in a restaurant. And it was all about celebrating somebody who had given him the most amazing service, whatever the name of that particular restaurant was. And then he walks through how that small, small act of kindness essentially then asked to speak to his manager, insisted the manager give him a raise, said that he was the best survey he’d ever received. Then when he went back, they all clapped in terms of the level of service. And then he talks about the ripple effects and then the connections in terms of how it impacted his daughter. His. His daughter had. And a job opportunity in that particular restaurant later, even if she was below the age, you normally hired for that created a relationship. And so, he talks about all the ripple effects. And there were about 10 different ripple effects from that small act of kindness, including where he had a business lunch, I think it was, that he mentions and even gave it to him for free because of the impact that he had had as part of that restaurant’s family.

So just that small moment. Wow. And you choose to do something different and all of those effects. So that was just from reading over the weekend. 

This is exactly the type of thing that I’ve been writing about in the book. And, you know, I had a similar one. I. This was years ago, but I had taken my children out for ice cream. We’re in the ice cream shop, and there was somebody there that was visually upset. She was crying, maybe in her young 20s. And she had been. She was borrowing the phone of the ice cream shop. And I was a little bit nervous, sort of watching her, wondering, like, is she okay? But I ended up going over and talking to her. And lo and behold, she had been living in a group home. And there was some sort of a scuffle that resulted in them telling her she needed to leave. And you could tell that she had some developmental delays and that she was really struggling, and she didn’t know where to go. And I ended up, like, sort of helping her right then and there and like, stabilizing and making some calls and helping her figure it out. And of course, the intent was not for her to leave that group home. Like, there was obviously some issues going on there. 

Like she belonged there and she needed to get re plugged back in. But it was really. I was a complete stranger to her that day. And similar to your example, like, you can be a stranger, and it can be a simple thing, like, like a great service or even intervening on somebody who looks visually upset. Like, how many of us have walked by and seen somebody that looks maybe like they’re not okay. Right. And you know, you can slow down and take some, a few moments and do some small thing and then get them plugged back in where they’re looking for. And in a way they might not have been able to do it themselves. Like, we all as humans need each other, you know.

Correct. And so obviously a very powerful story from a mental health standpoint, very impactful. And I think as we’re walking out of a, of a pandemic where people felt even more isolated, there’s even less of those interactions, I would argue, these days than there was probably prior to 2020. Let’s talk about why these matters for safety, because for me it’s, it’s apparent, but there’s a very strong connection. You talked about before, the, the element of how you can change workplaces. This is an example of how you can do these small acts and how it can have a powerful impact in the workplace.

Yeah, I think there’s a small, a strong connection between these small acts of humanity in the workplace that result in, like, in increasing the safety that then tie back to organizations like ROI or their actual bottom line. And so, you know, bear with me. But like, when you, when you connect the dots between people feeling psychologically safe, like they’re able to be themselves at work, they can speak up, they can have healthy debate, they can still get their mission done and their voices heard and they feel like they belong. I know that I belong in this workplace and that if I’m not here, people are going to look for me and they’re going to sort of miss me not being here because my part of the mission is so critically important. For this reason. It actually buffers against a host of things like isolation, depression, loneliness, and makes the team work better in such a way that you’re less likely to have safety mishaps. You’re less likely to have presenteeism. People sort of physically present but not really present. You’re less likely to have people not fully engaged and at work. And so, I do think that there’s a close connection to making sure that the safety system is working as it should by ensuring people feel these small acts throughout the day and that people are checked in on and that they belong and that you’re not just asking someone, is everybody okay today?

Okay, let’s get started versus like, how are you really doing? Like, tell me how you’re really doing and not just accepting that first answer. And the research shows this, like when people feel, stay quiet and they maybe have their cameras off if they’re in remote or they feel like there are, like they don’t quite belong, they don’t perform their best and then you know, there is a likelihood that you could have incidents and things that you’re not looking for in the workplace.

And I think what you’re talking about one for my mental health well-being, at the end of the day safety is still human. That yes, you can put in a lot of controls, you can put a lot of elements to prevent error from having a consequence. But in most workplaces if you’re not well, your attention is not on the job. When you even talked about presenteeism, you’re not necessarily assessing risks in the way that you should be looking at risk because there’s a different element of risk tolerance as well that can come in which can be very dangerous from a safety standpoint. There’s clearly a link from a mental health well-being and ultimately a safety outcome. But there’s also the element I would say from all the research in the safety space is this element of active care. The leader who shows active care for their team members is you’re going to get in return somebody willing to do more, show up at a different level and do things better from a safety standpoint. So, I think it really connects to active care from a safety standpoint. But also, this element of well-being is key to safety outcomes.

Right. Like it’s the foundation. Right. I always used to think back in the day we would come up with these things for military commanders, and they were like call the commander’s checklist. We would have a checklist for everything. Right. And of course that’s the way the military is bred. Like the pilots have their checklist and for all the right reasons, like we’ve got to make sure that safe and that we’re following the checklist. But we would have policies and then we would train the troops and the, and our civilian personnel like to the policy, and we do all of these things to get the system working well. Sure. Critically important. I wouldn’t tell you to stop having policies and you know, eliminate training. But I would tell you equally important is like do they know one another? Like are they connected? Do they know one another by name? Do they know the names of one’s family members and how special that feels when people say how’s Susie? Or how’s Johnny? I know you just finished third grade and summer’s coming. The idea of human connection is equally as important as that policy document that we push through at work.

And I would say, particularly even with elite teams like Navy seals, et cetera, you would want to have that very tight bond because they’re, they need to rely on each other, trust each other. But the same applies in the workplace, I think so.

And, you know, we, we talk a lot as well with like, first responders and the likelihood of people asking for help when they need it, after they’ve been exposed. In some of these workplaces where they get exposed to trauma, when they feel connected and they feel like they belong and they’re in and they’re not going to be judged, they’re also more likely to raise their hand and say, I need help. I just saw this incredibly, you know, traumatic thing and, and it doesn’t mean I’m out of the fight or I no longer belong here. It just means I need a little help. I need some peer support. So, I do think it’s at that, like, as you described with Active Care, it’s at the foundation for all the other things that workplaces can do to make sure people feel safe and create environments that are safe too.

And ultimately, to me, that’s one of the key pieces’ leaders have to make safety personal. And making a safety personal is talking about with vulnerability. Why safety matters to me as a leader, but also for frontline team members. If I don’t know who’s on my team, who they’re staying safe for, so it could be their kids, I don’t know what’s happening in that environment. You’re not going to get people showing up in that particular way. And yes, we can hope that one day we can eliminate all hazards. We can control every single hazard. But until that day, there’s still humans making choices and decision that can get in harm’s way.

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Yes, and I was, you know, thinking too about our conversations about safety issues in the workplace just around like, the basics of like, filing a report. And, you know, I’ve worked a lot in healthcare and of course we do this as well in healthcare systems. And just this notion of small acts around, like, really closing the loop. So, like, we might think that we’re closing the loop by, like, doing the necessary administrative actions and we might think that we’re closing the loop by, like, you know, giving a brief after the fact to tell people the lessons learned and, you know, bringing the teams together and, you know, this is what happened with this spill or this incident. But in fact, like, closing the loop with the people one on one.

Like, I noticed you saw this at work, you know, on a last Tuesday. You know, I know we’re doing the administrative part of it, but what was that like for you? Like, actually, like checking in and truly closing the loop with people. Because these incidents, they don’t just particularly the ones I’ve been exposed to. I know not all safety is traumatic in nature, but they don’t just disappear from their mind. Like, they’re not just gone. They stay with them and be a part of who they are. So, I think the more we really close the loop and make sure that folks are truly okay, the better we’ll do as organizations. Organizations, right.

So, what can leaders do? What. What are some of the things they can do to create this environment with people encouraged to do these small acts of kindness?

You know, it’s such a good question because I spent a lot of time, you know, thinking about specific actions that leaders can do. And on the one hand, you might think that I’m going to tell you these, like, grand big things, and I wish that were the case because. But it’s not. Most of what I will share with you, you will be surprised how simple, basic, and easy it is, and one we’ve already talked about. And it’s just. I call it like, asking the second question. So, it’s the question that you ask when you say, how are you? And then they say, fine, thanks. And then you have to come back with, like, no, really, how are you? I know you said you’re fine, but, like, I see this. Or, you know, like, really, like, ask the second question.

Sure.

And then I say also, like, notice when people are slightly different or when they go quiet. And this is hard. And I think you and I’ve talked about this in telework environments, like, when people are virtual. Like, you have to notice when they turn off their camera. You have to notice when they’re quiet when they’re normally not. And then you have to know that withdrawal is actually, you know, it’s a safety signal when. When people disengage or they withdraw. Like, put that in your little. In you. In your wrist dial as, like, a safety. A safety signal because they’re less engaged. Sure. And it’s a data point for you as A leader. The other one I would tell you is, you know, we have a tendency, and I’ve been guilty of this over the years, like you have. There’s such a push on, like getting the mission done. So, you’re like, let’s get our teams together. Let’s, let’s get on track. What’s our agenda? Let’s move out. I’m trying to be, and I challenge leaders today, more purposeful with hearing the junior people first on our teams.

Yep, very powerful. Yes.

How do we know where the rubber meets the road if we don’t slow down and listen? And it’s so quick to like, turn to the senior people in the room who of course have the most experience. And probably, you know, you want your input from your best people. But there is something to be said in terms of a culture of belonging when you just turn to the youngest, newest person on the team and you sort of ask them, how is it going out there? You know, you’re, you’re on the front lines share and like, really model that everybody needs to listen to the most junior person. So, I think that’s like a tactical, easy thing. And the other, I, you know, the other thing I can, that I wrote about in the book is like using feedback as a place for connection. And so, like when leaders are giving feedback, they’re giving it in such a way that, where you’re building a relationship that that stays intact and that it’s not like a quick system of accountability, you know, I gave Mr. Smith feedback today and now I can check that box. I developed a relationship with Mr. Smith today and based on that relationship, we’re working on this together and I’m, I’m part of helping him work on that.

So, I just think there’s a number of things. The last thing I would tell you is about transitions and this, I learned this in healthcare. But I’d be curious what you think as well. On non healthcare organizations, periods of transition are high risk. So, like when someone first gets a job, it’s a high risk. Time they’re new, when they’re off boarding into retirement, that’s a high risk in healthcare. When they’re moving between parts of the healthcare system, there’s a propensity that they could fall through the cracks.

Makes sense.

So, I just say we should think about these periods of transition within organizations, like when we’re going through large change management, when we’re moving people from one team to the next. And I would say reach out before they end up having an issue. So how do we study or dig in during periods of transition in a better way within our organizations.

And if I may, I would think that transition also could be. If you’re aware of who’s on your team, those transitions could also be personal.

Having a baby, having a divorce.

Correct. Yeah.

Things that, that could impact.

You’re right.

Distractions that could maybe introduce new risk or maybe introduce a better cause to stay safe. And I think it’s part of that element of the more I know you, the more I know what’s going on with you, then I can check in and say what, what, maybe you look tired today.

Yes.

And, and using that as a, as a component, I would agree when somebody isn’t typically and I’ve seen some variability on these stats, but new enroll typically has higher injury risk. As you’re still trying to understand the tasks, you’re still trying to understand how to fit into the, into the culture and you may not necessarily know the hazards you haven’t been trained for then. The other part is what I’ve seen, and this varies is it’s either late in career or what I’ve seen in some instances was actually late in career in the years prior to your ability to retire. And those who could retire and who stayed on very different driver because many of them wanted to be there, there was a different motivation versus I can now check out and leave, right?

Yeah. I can’t say enough about these periods of transition. I appreciate you bringing up the ones that go on personal because it’s like at the micro and the ma periods of transition for us as an organization, but periods of transition for all the people that are in that organization as well. And how do we pay more attention to those as periods of vulnerability for us as safety leaders and really zone in on them? An interesting stat that I, that I wrote about in the book has to do with caregiving that I think many, many leaders may not know. One third of the nation is right now engaged in caregiving either for parents that are aging or I don’t just mean parenting, like regular parenting is not in the caregiving stats. But I mean special needs sort of caregiving for, you know, chronically ill children, special needs children or catastrophically wounded veterans, traumatic brain injury and the like. When you put all of those together, that’s a lot. Yes. Chances are if you’re running a team of 100 people, 33 or so of them are probably involved in caregiving. And that’s also a period of transition.

Like, okay, now I’m responsible for making sure that grandma Gets her medicine and that she’s supervised and not, you know, walking the neighborhood with, you know, early onset dementia or the like. And so that will play itself out in our work environments if. And the more that we can tend to that in a proactive way, the better.

And it goes back to knowing, understanding your team, understanding what’s going on, acts of kindness in terms of connecting with them. But also, there’s an impact when I think of safety, there’s a direct impact on these things around fatigue, which we know is a precursor to many injuries. Distractions, which we know is a precursor to many injuries. Are all of these items can increase your propensity to have an injury or do something that you shouldn’t have done. And so even just that awareness, I think I shared last time with you, this story of I thought was really powerful. It was a supervisor who noticed that one of the operators that was going to use a very heavy piece of machinery on the shift looked a little bit different because he knew what she normally looks like and had a general sense that something was a little bit off. She was a little bit distracted that day. So, he just went and checked in, how are you doing? And she opened up and said, well, actually I lost my home last night. I was evicted and we slept on the street.

Wow.

And because of that, obviously he was able to remove her from the high-risk equipment machinery. Realizing this is not the right thing. But that requires you to know your team.

Yes.

That requires the culture to encourage this. Right. So, leaders above that, to create those acts of kindness so that it becomes an expectation across the organization.

So true. Small little things and paying attention to your gut when you see those small little things. This leader, in this example that you described, say nothing had happened to that employee the night before. And that leader sent something a little bit and went over and checked. And if they were okay, that would have been okay.

Yeah, absolutely.

In fact, it would have felt really good. As the person that’s about to do this, like, heavy equipment role, that somebody on my team was really checking on me before I did it like that, that would have felt so good to me if I were that employee. And if they were okay, that’s. That, that, that’s terrific. But in the slight chance that they’re not and you as the leader is able to make that intervention, pull them off the line, put somebody else in, that’s in a good spot. Not in a punitive way, of course, but in a caring way. And, you know, and, and like, let’s talk like, come let’s go sit down or and if you as the leader, because I always hear this from leaders, they just don’t have time there. In many cases, leading large, huge teams and like, you don’t have time to sit and have coffee with every single employee. But we can sometimes find a peer who can. And as a leader, you can talk to them for as much time as you have, but then you can also set them up with somebody else and continue to stay involved as a touch point, like I just say, like, use other people as force multipliers in such a way that you’re like building peer support as part of the culture and really having people help people.

So, my key takeaways are one, you want the frontline leaders to have that sense of active care to check in doing these little acts. You want peers to do the same with each other, which creates, if you created that environment where it’s now the norm that we’re checking out, checking in with each other and doing these small acts for each other creates a better sense of connection to the organization. For senior leaders, it’s the element of, as you do these small acts, it will have ripple effects, it will cascade, it can help influence the broader culture. So, making the time for those little things, and then the last one is really to your coffee line example is we can all do it in our personal lives. We can all choose to make somebody’s day. This Tony Robbins story I shared, in terms of recognizing something above and beyond, but finding ways to connect with others and having those ripple effects.

Yes, absolutely. And I would say that like some of these things that we’ve talked about today that are small acts are likely some of the easily accessible and most important acts. And I know I’m a little bit biased, but these are the things that will create the foundation for all of the other things to go well.

Right. So, your book, the Human Cure, How Small Acts Can Change the World. Tell me a little bit about that book. And I’m assuming people can pick it up on Amazon or in any bookstore.

Yes, on Amazon or Barnes and Noble and the like. Yes. So, the book, like I said, is very much focused on small, basic things that people can do every day. And what I was able to do was pull together a career worth of lessons in the field of mental health, but also interview a number of people, researchers, very senior leaders, and get some of their takeaways and their lessons for things around empathy, compassion, peer support, even using storytelling as a way to, you know, bring healing within families and organizations. And then I pulled the thread on the latest research on this. So really looking at the science around this and how it connects to improved health outcomes, improved team outcomes, sort of larger. The book goes from micro to macro and sort of everything in between. So, it’s been two years in the making. I’ve, you know, it’s been a fun journey and at the same time grueling. And I’m just super excited to get it out there, get some feedback from people on it and really make sure people know that it’s everyday small things in our power that can make the biggest difference.

Excellent. Well, Keita, thank you so much for joining the show again. Really appreciate your story and definitely will be picking up a copy of your book.

Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate it as well. And all the work that you’re doing to raise awareness on safety issues. I love watching your work unfold as well.

Excellent. Thank you.

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ABOUT THE GUEST

Dr. Keita Franklin is a nationally recognized public health leader and senior executive with more than 25 years of experience advancing large-scale systems change across federal and healthcare sectors. Her work has focused on suicide prevention, behavioral health, substance use, and the integration of public health approaches within complex organizations.

Dr. Franklin spent the majority of her career in senior executive roles within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), where she served as the principal advisor on suicide prevention and behavioral health policy. In these roles, she led multidisciplinary teams responsible for advancing evidence-based prevention strategies impacting more than three million active-duty service members, 20 million veterans, and their families. She is widely credited with helping shift the VA’s suicide prevention efforts from a primarily medical model toward a comprehensive public health approach that emphasized prevention, community engagement, and upstream risk reduction.

A recognized expert in suicide prevention and public health leadership, Dr. Franklin serves as Co-Director of the Columbia Lighthouse Project, where she leads national and international efforts to support the implementation and dissemination of evidence-based suicide risk screening protocols across healthcare, community, and organizational settings.

After transitioning to the private sector, Dr. Franklin has held senior leadership roles across the healthcare industry. She currently serves as Vice President of Health Care Strategy at TriWest Healthcare Alliance, where she leads strategic initiatives to advance whole-person care, behavioral health integration, and innovative solutions that improve outcomes for veterans, service members, and communities nationwide.

Dr. Franklin holds a PhD in Social Work from Virginia Commonwealth University and an advanced certificate from the Center for the Advancement of Research Methods and Analysis. She has completed executive education programs at Harvard Kennedy School in Leading Large-Scale Organizational Change and Women in Leadership, as well as the University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill Kenan-Flagler Business School Executive Leadership program. She is currently completing a Certificate in Executive Global Public Health Leadership at Harvard University, expected in March 2026.

An author and scholar, Dr. Franklin has published in the Journal of Alcohol Studies and the Journal of Social Work and Social Welfare Policy, with recent work examining Operation Resilience and public health approaches to suicide prevention. She has also contributed chapters to the Handbook of Military Social Work and Social Work Around the Globe. Her forthcoming books, The Humanity Cure: How Small Acts Can Change the World and A Field Practitioner’s Guide to Public Health Approaches for Suicide Prevention, will be released in 2026.

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The Power of Safety Voice: Building a Culture of Speaking Up to Drive Change with Dr. Archana Tedone

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What is safety voice, and why is it important? Don’t miss this exclusive conversation with our returning guest, Dr. Archana Tedone, Assistant Professor of Management in the Dolan School of Business at Fairfield University. Drawing on her latest research, Dr. Tedone shares expert insights on safety voice and the pivotal role leaders play in fostering open safety communication to create safer workplaces. She discusses the importance of building a culture where every team member feels comfortable voicing their safety concerns and speaking up about potential risks. Tune in as Archana encourages leaders to take every safety concern seriously and without bias, actively listen and involve teams in problem-solving, demonstrate genuine care and appreciation, and close the feedback loop to strengthen safety communication. Join us to discover the power of safety voice and learn practical ways to build a culture of speaking up and drive meaningful change.

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Hi, and welcome to the Safety Guru. Today, I’m very excited to have back with us Dr. Archana Tedone. She’s Assistant Professor of Management at the Fairfield University, Dolan School of Business. Archana, it’s such a pleasure to have you back. I know we’ve had another conversation a few years back in a prior episode, and you’ve got some new research I’m really excited to talk about.

Oh, great. Thank you so much, Eric. It’s always a pleasure to be back. I love catching up with you and talking about safety. So, thanks for having me back.

Absolutely. So maybe if you could do a brief recap of your journey in safety, because you had a pretty amazing experiences around safety now in teaching management. And today we’re going to talk about predominantly safety voice, which is a really interesting topic to talk about. So maybe if you can start out with a bit of an intro to who you are and how you got here.

Yeah, I would love to do that. So yes. Thanks for having me. My name is Archna Tedone, as I mentioned, and I’m an assistant professor of management at Fairfield University. And I primarily currently teach courses around leadership at the undergrad level, the graduate level. But I wasn’t always here. Prior to becoming a professor, I was a consultant. I worked in people analytics for a bit. Prior to that, I worked with you all at I’m formerly census, and we did a lot of work in the safety space and training and development. And that’s really where my passion for safety, I would say, grew. I was in graduate school before that. I did a lot of safety-related research and looked at populations like nursing and health care and really thinking about how we promote safety communication, especially in high-risk and high-safety critical populations such as these. Sure. And I think Being able to work on projects related to safety training, safety development, safety culture assessments, it really made me start thinking about a lot of practical ways to apply the research that I was doing. Since then, I think I would say I’ve been primarily focused on workplace safety and the voice element of it and how we can better communicate safety issues in the workplace, even when things are stressful, times are tough, how do we still prioritize safety?

One of the topics that you touch on is this concept of safety voice. The last time we talked about upwards, downward, and peer-to-peer lateral communication. Tell me a little bit about what safety voice is and why it’s so critical.

Yeah. Safety voice, by definition, is this upward communication, or it could even be lateral, of safety issues that are occurring at work. Safety issues can mean not only reporting hazards or something along those lines, but it could also be communication around potential issues that you identify or potential violations that are happening. Any communication, preventative and change-oriented communication around safety in the workplace could be considered safety voice. It is absolutely critical to promote a workplace in which safety is not just an afterthought, but truly a priority. We are gathering information daily on how to make the workplace safer.

And ultimately, frontline team members know the work the best. They know the hazards the best. And so, we want to make sure they’re communicating, they’re being heard, and We’re creating an environment where we’re fostering this dialog, this information that’s coming up in the organization as well.

Yeah, absolutely. Leaders cannot be everywhere at once. And it is just impossible to expect a leader to have eyes everywhere all the time. So, think about it. If you are not on the floor as a leader and you don’t see something, if that is your only way of ensuring safe practices at work, then that’s a huge miss. You need to be able to build a team in which they feel responsible to promote their own safety and speak up about safety issues that are happening so you as a leader, can take those actions and ensure that things that need to be prevented can be before they result in some really bad outcomes.

I know you introduced this link back to social exchange theory, and you talked about the transactional elements, which was really powerful because it made me reflect a lot about when we say a psychologically safe environment where somebody speaks up, what does it really mean? Why is it that sometimes people won’t do it?

I think that when we think about any of these exchanges in the workplace, forget about safety, but just thinking about us as human beings, we are always weighing the pros and cons or the costs and benefits of all of our actions in all of the decisions that we make, what time we wake up in the morning. Is it more beneficial for me to hit the snooze button and get nine more minutes of sleep? Or is it more beneficial for me to wake up at this time? I’m weighing those maybe in a sleepy state, and it’s not as clear, but we are always thinking about the costs and the benefits, right? This also applies to safety-related situations. In our latest research on Safety Voice, which was a meta-analysis, we looked at voice through this framework of social exchange theory, and we identified, or we viewed voice through this transactional approach, thinking about how individuals weigh the costs and the benefits of voicing a safety concern. We might perceive costs like embarrassment. What if I speak up and my supervisor thinks I’m just this tattletale or My peers think I’m a snitch. What if I get it wrong?

Retaliation. What if I made a mistake and I speak up about it and somehow, I’m implicated in all of this? We might view those as costs. The benefits, of course, maybe I do prevent a safety issue from happening, and it could save us from potential harm. Maybe there is a positive change that comes out of me speaking up about this. Maybe my supervisor praises me and says, Hey, really great. Thank you for bringing that information to me. If I weigh those against one another, and I determine that, hey, the costs are outweighing the benefits of speaking up about the safety issue, then because I’m human, I might choose not to voice that issue.

I think for me, this was really powerful as a conversation starter, because we often say, well, you should speak up. I usually use an example of a plane that crashed in Portland, I think it was 50, 60 years ago. The scenarios, they were trying to check if they had their landing gear down. They were running out of fuel as they kept circling. I think it was the first officer and the flight engineer at the time, realized they were out of fuel, but neither dare to say anything to the captain. The captain kept circling until they crashed. You would think in a scenario like this, the cost-benefit would be cost is, if I don’t say something, really bad outcome, we’re going to crash, and the benefit would seem to be very high. But then you start understanding why is it it’s not happening? It’s not just that one plane event. There’s been lots of others flying to mountains, others running out of fuel where one of the two realizes but doesn’t feel comfortable speaking up. This forces you to think it’s actually about that person. That person is making decisions not about you, but also what do I need to do during increase the benefits, which I think comes into psychological safety and so forth.

Yes, absolutely. I think there’s one thing for certain that we all have very personal ways of thinking about costs and benefits. Eric, you and I could be looking at the same safety hazard in the workplace, right? Yeah. But to me, the cost of speaking up is not worth the benefit. To you, it might be. Absolutely. This is a very personal thing, and it’s hard to say, even in the example that you just brought up. For us, it might be easy to say, Yeah, of course. The benefit of speaking up about that is clear. But when you’re in that situation and when you’re looking at it from the eyes of a frontline employee, there could be so many other factors that they are considering in their cost-benefit ratio that we just aren’t thinking about or seeing.

Yeah. This gets us to thinking about what leaders can do to help tip this balance. How do we reinforce so there are more benefits in that decision-making? Because clearly, there’s value in speaking up, and there’s a significant risk when people don’t see the value in that cost-benefit equation.

Unfortunately, it’s not an overnight fix to be able to build this team, this climate, this culture in which speaking up about safety issues isn’t an abnormal experience. Ideally, we want to create this this team, this culture, this climate in which this type of communication is just normalized. It’s normal to speak up about hazards and communicate if you see anything that needs to be attended to and that your leader needs to know about. But getting there is not an overnight fix. I think a lot of it does start at this leadership level. I think one of the strongest drivers of employee behavior is truly leader behavior. So, role modeling behaviors you want to see as a leader, modeling transparency, modeling vulnerability, showing that, hey, I made a mistake, and this is the mistake I made, and this is how we are going to fix it. Saying that, hey, I’m not bulletproof, and I’m also making mistakes, and we’re all working together. Humanizing yourself as a leader and your team can be a great start. And I also think that in some other research that we did, we really understood the power of a leader in terms of role modeling behaviors.

Sure. Some of the strongest predictors of email behaviors after work hours in another line of work, we found, were the behaviors of one supervisor. Even in organizations with really strict policies around email use after hours, if your supervisor is emailing after hours, then you’re emailing after hours. Sure. The power in a leader should not be understated here, even when it comes to safety.

I think this is a really key point because the leaders can drive the equation. I think when you presented this to me the first time, we talked about cost-benefit. It really resonated because psychological safety looks at it from a broader sense. You have it versus here, it’s saying each person is making that decision individually. I need to think of it this way because some of those individuals create climate and culture. But it made me reflect that in some organizations, people weren’t speaking up because they shared an example of 35 years ago, the CEO responded some way differently. That CEO is long retired, long gone, but in their present memory, that’s their experience, or they work somewhere else where this wasn’t valued versus the next person. They clearly understand this is the expectation here. And that’s what we’re dealing with day in and day out.

Yes, absolutely. Since that CEO had left, if behavior from leadership hasn’t changed the ideas that workers have in their heads, that is the last thought that they have. Oh, there were these issues, the CEO did nothing, and now that’s just how it is. But what it takes to change that mentality is a leader who says, hey, I am going to close the loop on this safety issue. Thank you for raising that. I did X, Y, Z to try to address this issue, or I wasn’t able to address this issue, and this is why. Here’s what we can maybe think about in the future. Closing that loop ensures that your workers are continuing to voice because, again, we as humans, we tend to not want to waste our time or our breath. And so, if we keep speaking up and speaking up and it’s going nowhere, then what are we going to Stop speaking up. Stop speaking up, right?

Correct. And a story I often share is leaders can send very powerful signals. I remember when I started in aviation, I was in my early 20s, and I remember the first day on a blackboard, they were saying, number one, value, priority is safety. They would put big capital letters and underscore it and then say on time performance, all these other things come after, but permission to play is safety. This is the only thing that matters If you could get this right, the others matter. It’s a very binary message which you don’t often hear in most businesses. My thought was, and obviously they say speak up, raise concerns. You hear that, you say, okay, I need to do the right thing. But then when I actually did this and I stopped the operation because something was perceived to be unsafe, cost a lot of money, lots of zeros. Then the next day, what I discovered is the insights that I had when I called an all-stop, where actually there was no hazard present. It was completely benign, but new information came overnight that I didn’t have at that moment. I was sure that I was going to get terminated.

There was a lot of people in the airport that wanted my job terminated. But what was interesting in this signal that happened, the COO flew down that morning and gave me a very public attaboy that it was the only right thing to do. But he made it public so that essentially everybody else would get the signal that when we say safety, is number one, and not just number one, it’s permission to play, I mean it. From that day on, I realized I have permission to do this, and a lot of others heard it. I often challenged COO, CEO, CEO, CEO, CEO, to say, do you know about these things with that proximity? I have still no idea how he knew that morning he need to jump on a plane to do something. But that was incredibly powerful to set the stage for others.

That is so powerful. A little action like that can make big waves in the climate, the culture of an organization itself. These are the threads that start weaving the fabric of what safety culture looks like in your organization. So even these tiny little actions, these behaviors from leadership, can really make waves. And that is such a cool experience.

Exactly. And so, I think this is the thought for leaders is saying, how do I create signals to me as well that reinforce the pattern change? When we’re talking about the experience from 35 years ago, unless I see a definitive change in a pattern, I assume that’s still the case, even if the organization could have moved.

Yeah. And another thing that I want to add here is that what your CEO did could have easily looked like a performative gesture. I think we are very good at picking up on genuine actions and behaviors and genuine communications and things along those lines. And so backing up your words with visible actions can really show how safety concerns are taken seriously. If your CEO sent out an email saying, Hey, great job. Eric did a great job. This was exactly what needed to happen, might not have been as powerful as him jumping on a plane to really show that he appreciated what you did, and that is what you should have done and what others should be doing.

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Great transition in terms of we’re going to touch on essentially what should leaders do? So, one of the things is take fast action. I like what you’re talking about. It has to feel genuine because if it’s just written by Corp Coms, it’s not necessarily genuine or having the same impact. You also touched earlier in terms of you need to take action with that feedback, but you can’t always take action. So, what are some of the other things that leaders can do to make sure that they’re reinforcing this pattern?

Yeah. So, a few things come to mind here. One is, I think it’s important for leaders to really take every concern seriously. And by seriously, I mean, even concerns that seem minor or seem like, why is this person bringing this to my attention? This is not a big deal. Forming some checklist or guidelines for yourself on how to evaluate these voices. That helps us stay away from any biases that might come to mind saying, oh, I already thought about that, or this is not a big deal, or this person always comes and speaks up, and they’re one of those people, right? So naturally, as humans, some of these biases might creep in when we’re evaluating voice, right? So, having some standard, having a checklist saying, okay, for every concern that comes up, I’m going to evaluate it around these three elements, right? So, deciding that with your leadership team and thinking about how to best evaluate, engage the action taken on voice can be really helpful.

Sure.

And two, as I mentioned earlier, the genuine piece of actively listening to the individuals that are bringing this to your attention, even if it seems minor, even if it seems like not a big deal, genuinely being able to thank them, whether it’s getting on a plane and flying down or thanking them and showing genuine appreciation for the behavior that they’re engaging in because you want them to repeat that behavior. We repeat behaviors that we feel like are positive and rewarded in some way. And so, if your supervisor is praising you for bringing this up, then you’re going to continue to do that. Right. Third, as I mentioned before, closing the loop is probably the most important. Following through either with a formal investigation, some action plan on things that you think could actually need to be changed and implemented. But most importantly, for even voice that it seems like things that you can’t take action around at the moment or things that might be non-issues, communicating that back to individuals, why you’re not taking action on this and why you’re not able to implement any changes right now. And in this way, employees will almost self-screen from there, knowing with more knowledge, okay, maybe these sorts of things are what I need to be voicing.

Those employees that are consistently voicing, the more feedback and guidance you give them around their voice, the better they’ll get at it and get you the information you need. Sure.

I think this feedback loop you talk about is incredibly important because it’s showing that I did some due diligence, and I think I see it a little bit more when you actually action something, but it’s often easy to forget when you can’t do something. But just like you Instead of closing the loop and saying why we can’t do it. As an example, if I’ve heard it was one organization, they wanted to customize trucks to add some additional bells and whistles, cost was exorbitant, and the exposure to that risk was probably 5% of the fleet needed it. But maybe you can tweak the recommendation and say, well, what if we only did it for a handful of trucks in the fleet, as an example, the ones that are exposed to that particular hazard, or just saying, we can’t do it now, but We have in the budget for next year. Even something like that that may not sound as positive is still explaining what we’re doing with that information.

Yes, absolutely. I also, to some extent, would suggest and support leaders involving their team in problem solving, right? Yeah, I love that. If there are hazards on the floor and your team is the one who is working with these hazards daily, they probably have ideas on what to do and how to best approach these situations. Closing the loop can look something like, hey, let’s chat in my office a little bit about your thoughts on how to address this problem, right? And that also helps build psychological safety and trust and helps your team feel like they’re part of the conversation and not just they are to communicate information. It involves them more in this whole process, which gets them to buy into why voice is important, too.

Absolutely. Even just problem solving on the shop floor, I’ve seen like A3s or Kaizen type events where you’re saying, okay, would you be willing to be part of the how we solve this? It can be hugely powerful because now you’re saying, okay, I’m taking your I’m engaging and involving you in solving it. Maybe even, ideally, you actually get to the building the change, implementing the change, as opposed to just the ideation part.

Absolutely. I think oftentimes, hazards and safety issues are already creatively addressed on the floor, right? If they’re not voiced up to you. There’s all of these innovative, creative ways that teams decide to work around or manage some of these safety issues. And you as a leader, if you’re working with them to craft a solution to these issues, you as a leader can be that voice of protocol of it. Because sometimes they might not know violations that they might be engaging in or why certain things can’t happen certain ways. So, if they are willing to invite you into that conversation on how to be safe and still be able to get work done, because oftentimes we see that safety is viewed as this obstacle that they have to cross to get their work done. If you’re able to gain trust and enter those conversations on, how do we make this work for everyone, that’s a really special thing. The more you involve your team, the more they might want to involve you in these conversations as well.

Absolutely. I also like how you touched on the element of biases, because we all have biases. There are great articles have been written on this side. But often what I hear is that bias subtly introducing itself in the decision making. I label this person as quickly wheel because they always complain, this is dangerous, this is risky, E, et cetera. And so, by default, I start automatically tuning out what they say, which is not helpful. It’s not going to encourage safety voice as you’re introducing, but also it could be very dangerous because now I’m not listening to that person’s feedback. And maybe they were a little bit dramatic the last time, but maybe this time is actually the time you need to listen. And so, your idea of having more of a decision matrix or some a checklist to think through, tries to help you overcome the bias and maybe even getting people, I think, to recognize that I may have a bias towards this individual. How do I compensate for it?

Yes, absolutely. I think us, again, as humans, we may be tempted to discount individuals that are more frequently reporting that we view as not important or not achievable and view as more of complaints rather than anything actionable, essentially. But as leaders, it’s so important to assess the message and not just the messenger.

Sure.

Again, as we discussed already, creating some structured way to track and review this safety inputs can be absolutely important to make sure that nothing is really overlooked due to some of these biases. But we do, I think we, again, being human, understanding that we have these biases is such a great first step of knowing that, hey, am I not excited about hearing what this person has to say? Because they were just five minutes ago? Or is it for some other reason? I think also on the flip side of that, we do also… It’s completely fine to place differential weights on opinions that we hear. As human beings, we have people that we really trust, and when they say something, we place a lot of weight on that opinion. However, when it comes to reports and information about safety, it It’s a whole norther ball game. Having some standardized system in which we can evaluate, quickly evaluate and judge a decision matrix, a checklist, some guidelines, will help bring us away from that state of mind. And put us in a more objective evaluation mentality where we can really look at the issue and not the person reporting the issue.

I also think what you talked about a few seconds ago about as you get involved in the problem solving and they’re hearing the rationale and we’re starting to think about how do we turn this problem into a solution, you’re indirectly also training people to come up with more comprehensive problems with solutions, but also the type of things that are actionable.

Yes, absolutely. I would even encourage praising problem-solving behavior and thinking. If you have a team member that approaches you and says, hey, this is a big safety hazard, and this is what we figured out to fix it, and it’s completely a terrible idea, still praise them for thinking in that way, for trying to think in a way to solve the problem at hand. Sure. That’s where you’ll get so much idea generation. You’ll get so many interesting, innovative ways to solve issues that make everyone happy. I think that’s the issue with some safety policies and procedures and protocols. It’s that They struggle with making everyone happy. Maybe they make us on the leadership side happy, but not necessarily those on the floor or vice versa. Getting to a solution that makes all parties happy can happen more easily when all of these parties are involved in the crafting of the solution.

Such a powerful message. Safety voice is so critical in business because we want those that are closest to the work to highlight risk, highlight issues, highlight solutions, and be involved in improving the workplace. I really like your message around social exchange theory and this element that it’s really a cost-benefit transaction that’s happening multiple times in somebody’s head. That means we need to tip the balance more in favor of speaking up, which is really a leadership ownership responsibility that we need to foster.

Yeah. I think also as leaders, being aware that costs and benefits differ across individuals and understanding how others evaluate costs and benefits, right, can be really a powerful way to look at scenarios and situations as well.

Yeah, because it’s not like an accountant who’s got a spreadsheet that shares a spreadsheet and all the models in front of you. It’s what’s going on inside of you. Exactly. It’s prior experiences, it’s prior work environments. There’s a lot of things that you don’t have control over that are coming into that equation.

Yeah. I think building a space in which speaking up about safety issues doesn’t feel like voice. It doesn’t feel like you’re voicing anything. It just feels like you’re having a conversation. And that’s the gold standard, I think. Getting to that place can be so ideal for the exchange of ideas, information, and issues, and being able to take preventative action, which is what we all want to do, right?

Yes. Thank you so much, Archana. Thank you for coming back on the podcast, and you’re welcome to come back anytime when you’ve got some new ideas to share. I really appreciate you sharing this. Thank you.

Thank you for having me, Eric. Always great to be here.

Thank you for listening to The Safety Guru on C-suite Radio. Leave a legacy. Distinguish yourself from the past. Grow your success. Capture the hearts and minds of your teams. Elevate your safety. Like every successful athlete, top leaders continuously invest in their safety leadership with an expert coach to boost safety performance. Begin your journey at execsafetycoach.com. Come back in two weeks for the next episode with your host, Eric Michrowski. This podcast is powered by Propulo Consulting.

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Archana M. Tedone, Ph.D., is an Assistant Professor of Management in the Dolan School of Business at Fairfield University. Her research examines workplace communication, with a particular focus on the factors that encourage or discourage communication about safety issues and concerns. Drawing from occupational health psychology and organizational behavior, she studies how leaders can create climates that promote open communication, trust, and proactive safety behaviors in high-stress environments such as healthcare and hybrid teams.

Her research has been funded by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health and published in leading academic journals, with findings presented at national and international conferences. She serves on the editorial board of Occupational Health Science and on the Executive Board of the Society for Occupational Health Psychology. In addition to her academic work, Dr. Tedone continues to consult with organizations to strengthen safety culture, leadership effectiveness, and communication practices. She is passionate about creating workplaces where employees feel empowered to speak up, collaborate, and thrive safely.

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Game Plan for Safety: Leadership Lessons from the Football Field with Dan Comiskey

Game Plan for Safety: Leadership Lessons from the Football Field with Dan Comiskey

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What can safety leaders learn from the football field? In this high-energy and captivating episode of The Safety Guru, we’re joined by Dan Comiskey, a former Canadian Football League star turned safety leadership expert. Dan shares powerful leadership lessons learned under the stadium lights to inspire a winning safety culture. He brings to life what it means to lead by example and foster a culture grounded in accountability and care. Discover how building mindful habits and empowering team members to take ownership can strengthen a resilient and high-performing team. Don’t miss this episode! It’s packed with game-changing takeaways to help you develop a Champion Mindset and put your game plan for safety into action.

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Hi, and welcome to the Safety Guru. Today, I’m very excited to have with me Dan Comiskey. Dan, welcome to the show. Really excited to have you with me. Tell me a little bit about your impressive background from sports to what you do today in safety.

Oh, gosh. Thank you so much for the warm welcome, Eric. I’m happy to be here. Always like getting involved in safety messaging. It is my business now is really safety messaging. You know what? I started speaking way back in the CFL in the mid ’90s. I started in 1997. I guess that’d be late ’90s. They started sending me around to schools to talk to kids about bullying when I was playing for the Rough Riders. I played in the CFL for 13 years and had a great time. Really loved it. It was obviously a passion of mine. You don’t get there without being passionate. But it really also, through the different the teams I was on, I was able to cut my teeth, so to speak, in a professional speaking capacity. So, I started at schools, and then it turned into leadership programming and different breakfasts. And then by the time I was retired, this is really all I wanted to do, was get out and talk to people about important things.

That’s cool. So, let’s get into your story, how you got into football.

Wow. Okay. Well, I was a troubled kid. It’s the bad sports kid story. You’ve heard it before. I was a troubled kid. I had a brother who was sick. He had cancer, and he died. I got really angry about it. And my parents were divorced, and I was angry about that. I started getting in trouble. My dad figured out that I was in trouble, and we had a bunch of tough conversations, and one time, a very serious conversation. And finally, he said, you got to find something better to do with your life. And if you do, I’m going to help you, and made a promise that if I found something that was productive, that he would go as far as he could possibly go to make it work for me. And I found this picture of Tony Mandarich, who was an old offensive lineman back in the ’80s, who was from Toronto, and he was 6’6, he was 315 pounds, and he could bench press two and a quarter 37 times and run a 4. 65, 40. And all this stuff matters to me now, and it mattered to me then. And I just saw this guy that was indestructible, and I really thought that I wanted to be indestructible.

So, I told my dad I wanted to play football. And he just started moving mountains, man. I was living in a small town with him. There was no football team. He bought a car for my brother, turned the garage into a gymnasium, and just started buying milk and cheese, put it in the fridge, and I started gaining weight. And I spent time living with my mom and my dad, and lucky enough to play for a bunch of years and eventually ran into some people that said I was talented enough to go to the CFL, and that became a dream. And I was drafted back to Saskatchewan in ’97. So, it was probably the one thing that changed my life when I was on the wrong path that my dad gave me.  

So, Saskatchewan Roughriders, because back then, I think there was still the Ottawa Roughriders, wasn’t there?

There was not. The Ottawa Roughriders had folded. That was right after the CFL expansion. So, the CFL expansion had just folded. In 1996, the teams were in such financial peril that, and I’ve heard stories, I won’t talk about which teams, but the owners of the teams were telling players on check day because you always get paid the day after the game, right? You get handed a check back in the day. I don’t know how they do it now. And they said, go to the bank. Wow. Take this to the bank. And so, they would say, so they’d give them the check at the beginning of practice, and they’d say, take this to the bank before we go to practice. And it’s because they just were worried about checks clearing. That’s It was scary it was in the league back then. It’s a different place now. You see the stadiums and everything else, right? So ’97, I’m brought in. I’m making about four bucks an hour for the whole year. It’s not a whole bunch of money in playing football in Canada back then. And yeah, it was wonderful. I had great leaders around me. I had on winning teams and losing teams and made some amazing friends that are still great friends today and lucky enough to win a couple of Great Cups.

Yeah, it was a great career.

Excellent. And so how did you pivot from football into safety?

Well, I had some things happen in my life that were making me think about safety. The biggest one would be It was two people very close to me. One was my stepbrother. We lost him in an accident at work. He was working for St. Catherine’s Hydro, and he was electrocuted. He just grabbed the wrong wire at the wrong time with the wrong gloves. And that it was back in 2001. I was halfway through my career. My father-in-law at the time, who since passed, had a serious head injury. He was a minor. My wife and I, at the time, my ex-wife, we had kids, and we had twins, and there were some complications. Serge was her dad, and he moved his family, his wife and him, from Northwest Territories to Alberta to go back into mining after being retired so that she could be close to us because there were some health complications with my daughters. Then his first shift back as a miner. I’m 52 right now, so he was 52. I always thought he was an old fart when I met him. But he was this tough Frenchman, 6’3 or something and 190 pounds.

And you’d see him work and he just… The guy wouldn’t take breaks. He just worked. If you’re unloading a van with that guy, the van is unloaded before he stops. He’s head breathing heavy and stinking, and moving, and great guy. Just work his butt off, right? And then he goes out for his first shift, and he gets hit in the head with a piece of rock and changes his whole life. He survived it, but it changed who he was. And those things affected me, right? So that when I got into looking at my retirement, I knew I wanted to speak. I didn’t know how I was going to become a safety guy. I didn’t even think about it. But I knew that as a speaker and a lead, I realized there’s a bunch of skill sets that I had from football that were leadership skill sets that I’d learned over 13 years, from being a rookie that didn’t know anything to being a vet that at 38 thought he knew everything. How about we just say that? And I mean, since then, now I’m 52, I’m hoping I know a little bit more. You know what I’m saying?

I’m growing as you go, right? So how was I going to transition? I got my NCSO out of Alberta, and I was approaching Shell about selling them a leadership training program, and along with a whole bunch of other people, just looking to sell my wares. And they just said, why don’t you actually come work for us and learn our leadership program? We’ll teach you, and you can learn it. And so, I actually learned how to deliver theirs, and I started delivering theirs and all sorts of different onsite stuff. And I became not only a safety adviser, but I became a cultural adviser for bigger projects. I became somebody that was really responsible for trying to affect how the How the idea of safety was going to permeate through the crews. So, all of the onboarding, all we had pause training and stop work programs and even permit to work. I got involved in all of that stuff so that I could actually understand it. But to me, it was always, how do we bring it to the point where people actually are so concerned about… They understand that safety is the number one thing while we have to get work done, obviously.

But they understand that safety is the number one thing, and that we have to make sure that they’re going to go home safe. And that’s got to be a major value to them while they’re getting the work done. And so that was really what I learned at Shell. It’s not just about stopping work. It’s about how do you keep work going, safely. It was really a… Maybe that’s a long answer to a short question, man. But that’s what happened. Is it just a transition? And then after we had an election and government changed and the oil fields got hammered pretty hard by somebody who I don’t mention very often. And opportunities left, but I started just getting on this keynote roll in both 2015, and I started doing that as part of my work. And it’s been a mainstay for me. And then I had to adapt through COVID like everybody else and took on some other roles. But last year, again, went full-time. And this year, there’s some really amazing things happening because of it. Really excited about some opportunities that happening. Really, given the safety career has been something that’s been very educational and meaningful.

But on top of that, it’s given me all sorts of opportunities.

Now you bring a lot of your lessons in leadership from your days in football all. Walk me through some of the big lessons in leadership that you use in your presentations.

Well, thank you. Great question. There’s a bunch of stuff that you learn that That’s fundamental, right? You learn about leading by example. And people say lead by example, and it’s like you wrap everything in leading by example, and that’s just an easy thing to say. Sure. But what you learn is that when somebody is actually leading by example, they know that they’re leading and misleading by example. They know that people are going to watch them for not only what they’re doing right, but especially for what they’re doing wrong. And they’re going to watch them when not only things are going really well, but they’re going to watch them when things go sideways. How do you react when things aren’t working the way you want them to work? That’s when you find out what leader you are.

Absolutely.

Right. I had some great examples of this in football. Tom Higgins, Jeremy O’Dade was another one who’s GM for Saskatchewan now, who’s just great. Just as a player, I knew him, and now he’s a GM. He’s been involved for so long because, man, he’s the same guy. He brings the weather every day. And he’s always the same guy. And people don’t catch him making those huge mistakes and finding out that he’s actually a hypocrite to what he says, which is what the problem is with trying to lead, right? If you go against what you say, you’re in trouble. So, it’s stuff like that. Leading by example, knowing who your audience is, who you’re working with, knowing how to actually reach people, knowing what their goals are, getting out of the truck and talking to people on site. I mean, that’s really about understanding who your players are. And so, a lot of this stuff, it started, I understood it in football, but then working with Shell and with so many different people at different businesses, you start understanding that there’s experts everywhere. There are people that actually really… And so, I’ve learned from everybody that I’ve ever worked with.

Good and bad, I’m sure.

Oh, certainly. Listen, man, I worked with some guys that were from the Jean Jack and Days on Pipelines, and I work with some guys that were from the Drinking Days back in the CFL and Drinking and More. Everything’s evolving, right? Everything’s evolving.

So, leading by example, I think it’s a very powerful lesson because I think it’s exactly what you said, is how do I respond to bad news when something goes wrong? What’s my initial response? So key because it’s easy on a good day to show up the right way.

It is. Eric, the interesting thing is I can say that, but that still doesn’t tell you how. How do you make a bad day seem acceptable? How do you do it? And what I’ve learned, and this is through new coaching and mentorship, like I say, I continually learn. I have new partnerships all the time. The mental side of habit creation is a big football thing. It’s a habit creation machine. It grinds out habits because you’re videoed You’ve done everything you do, and your body position has to be perfect, and your hand placement has to be perfect, and your foot position, and your knowledge of the game and the playbook has to be perfect. If everybody isn’t perfect every play of the game, you lose. That’s how you lose by somebody stepping three inches too far in one play, you lose a whole game. People don’t understand how technical it is, but it’s sick. And so those habits have to happen. But not only that, the mental habits. How do you actually… And this is something that you learn in Physically in a game like that is how do you… So, let’s say you’re playing in a very important game.

I was playing in the Great Cup. I was playing against a guy named Robert Brown. Robert was my nightmare. I mean, there’s guys I liked playing because they would come right to me and just give me their chest. That’s as an offensive lineman, let me beat you up. I love that. I respected everybody I played, but Robert was one of those guys. Scott Schultz was another guy that was tough for me. There are certain guys that were just tough, right? And going into the Great Cup, I had a torn meniscus, so my knee was locking up. And I wasn’t going to sit the game because I knew I was… Well, I wasn’t going to sit the great cup. I wasn’t going to do that. And then going to the second half, first or second play of the second half, he beats me and gets a hit on the quarterback. And it’s like, how do you… So now you’re playing in front of 3 million people. You’ve just made yourself look like an idiot because you look foolish. When you get beat as an alignment, all they have to do is beat you once or twice, and you’ve had a bad game.

You got to be good every play. So how do you get that mindset get back. It’s the chatter in your head is like, Oh, you’re a loser. Oh, he’s going to get you again. Oh, you’re doing everything wrong. And it goes against everything you’ve trained with over the last however many years you’ve played and however many weeks you’ve played that’s saying, I know exactly I’m doing. I’ve watched this guy on film. I know exactly what he’s going to do next. I understand his keys. I know. So, you’ve got this internal battle that goes all the time, right? And so, the voice is in your head. We call them chatter. It’s like this chatter. But do you know how many thoughts you have in a minute? How many words-No idea.

I have a feeling it’s a lot. 300. In a minute. Scientifically proven. 300 thoughts and pictures a minute. And so, all of those pictures. So, if you get a haywire a minute where you’re getting hijacked, all of those pictures are going against you, and all those thoughts are going against you. And now you’ve got to come back, and you got to focus, and you got to get back to calm and peace, right? Sure. So that’s great for football. What does that have to do with life? Well, I think about the guy working a power linesman working in an ice storm who went to work that day, and his dog died.

That’s top of mind. That’s a distraction is using a unit of attention for you.

Exactly. How do I focus? When my wife’s angry at me, how do I focus? When my kid is sick, how do I focus? And so a lot of the training that I now do, both with teams and individually, is really about getting that chatter under control by learning to focus and figure out where it’s hitting you and where it’s hijacking you and creating tools to calm that and give you peace so that you can actually zone in and focus on the things that are important.

So, tell me a little bit more on the habit creation part, because it’s a key component. There’s lots of books written on habit creation. Tell me about a little bit from a sports standpoint, how you got to building those habits.  

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Well, like I said, for me, it was like I didn’t have to think about it because they were grinding me out of the machine. It was changing your habits or lose your job.

Right.

So, you just start realizing that number one, you realize that you can. Anytime I tell somebody, I’ve got a friend who Let’s just see. I got a friend who has too much… They like going to bed late at night. Let’s use this one. They have to stay up till 2: 00. They have to stay up till 1: 00, and then they get tired, and then they wake up like it’s an accident. I don’t know, wake up like… It’s The conversation is always the same thing with anybody like this. You say, well, and I’ve been this person, so I’m not trying to be judgmental. Say, well, you should just start getting up at 6: 00 in the morning. Well, I can’t do that. Well, you just set an alarm, and you get up. That’s literally all you do. It’s one little thing. You just set an alarm, and you get up and you have a coffee. And as soon as you have a coffee, you start your day. And now, okay, well, I don’t start work till 8: 00. Well, that gives you an hour before you start to think to maybe pray, maybe read, maybe meditate, maybe listen to some music, maybe get some exercise.

And then all of a sudden, those hours that you put in at the end of the day between 10: 00 and midnight are 6: 00 to 8: 00 hours. And so, it’s a tiny little change. And it seems, well, that’s a huge change. Well, no, it’s actually it’s like setting an alarm. And as soon as you do that, your body says, well, I need sleep. So, guess what? By nine o’clock, you’re saying, I’m going to bed. Listen, I’m not enjoying watching TV anymore. You’re falling asleep, right? It’s the same with… It’s really the fundamental, I think the biggest thing people do is they try to do too much. So, let’s call that a big shift, right? Let’s call that a big shift. How about we do something like, there was a guy I was coaching, and he was late for every meeting, and he was executive, right? And he’s like, I’m just late. He was on site, and on site, you’ve been on site. Things are crazy on site. Things are Everybody’s always late. This guy’s an executive. He’s high up there, and he’s not just a little bit late. He’s like 45 minutes, an hour late for everything.

Guys are waiting for him, and he’s slow and work down, right? And so, we’re talking, and he says, Yeah, this is my biggest weakness. That’s a process. Getting too that’s his biggest weakness is a process. But let’s just start there because it’s easier for this conversation. I said, well, what is the reason for you being late? He says, well, I get in these other meetings and why do they go longer than it’s supposed to? Why do they go longer than they’re supposed to? Well, because I feel like when I leave a meeting and somebody is still trying to talk to me, I’m being disrespectful.

Sure. 

I get it. It’s human, I feel, I often feel that way. Can’t get off the phone with somebody. You know people like that, right? There are certain people in your life that you just can’t get them off the phone. I can’t say goodbye, right? And so, what do you think we can do to change that so that there’s no disrespect Because the disrespect is the key. It’s the key. The key to that whole thing is he doesn’t want to disrespect, but he doesn’t realize he’s disrespecting the people he’s making later, right? And so, we came up with a system, and I can’t remember him or I. I’d like to claim it, but it was probably him. He walked into every meeting, and every meeting had a deadline that he was walking out. When he walked in, he said, can you come see me today, Tony? Yeah, I can come see you. But I can get there at 10: 00. When he gets there, he says, I’m leaving here at 10: 30. I’m walking out the door at 10: 30 because I’ve got another commitment. He doesn’t have to tell him what the commitment is.

I’ve just got. Within three months, he started getting promoted because all of a sudden, he’s on time for every meeting, and he was a very exceptional executive. He’s a great guy, and he’s a hard worker, and he knew what he was doing, and he’s smart, and all of those things. That tiny little habit changes your life.

Sure.

How many of those do we have that we can work on? And then it’s like, well, you should probably just try one at a time. Because until you get the one- small steps. Yeah, small steps. How do you eat an elephant? One step at a time. So, to me, that was all from football. The interesting stuff for me is getting into the mental, the gymnastics of creating habits that calm the storm, that calm the hijacking. What is your reaction to, I just got bad news? What is your reaction? How do you bring peace in? You ever see the old Seinfeld episode where I think it was Jerry’s dad, Serenity now. Do you remember?

I don’t, but- Yeah.

He had a… I don’t know. Anyway, I guess it doesn’t matter.

So that’s what you do now, Serenity now. 

Well, no, there’s visualization, but everybody’s going to have their own method, right? But you have to figure out what brings you peace. Is it pictures in your mind of… I have one friend who he pictures Jesus holding him as a child, and that’s what brings him peace. And he just goes to that. And he’ll take five minutes. People used to go for a smoke break when they’re upset. Well, people don’t smoke anymore as much, right? So, go for a breath break and take a breath and then what is it? What questions do you ask yourself? Where do you put yourself? Some people it’s music. Some people have a book, right? Just get yourself back out of that hijacking and into life. And then obviously, if you’re working on the line or if you’re working like a micro break is part of the job. If you feel like there’s a risk that you’re bringing to the work site and you’re actually working the shovel, working the tools, working the trades, then you have to be able to pause. Say, I’m the danger because I’m hijacked right now. So, let’s have a conversation about what’s going on around us so we’re safe.

So, to me, it’s like that’s the… In Shell, we used to call it the pause moment. I’ve seen stop work. Stop work, pause, just recenter on what we’re doing, what’s the task in front of us, what are the risks, so forth. A hundred percent. And so now can we do that because the risk is actually an emotional hijack decking. And that’s the training to see that as the key that gets you to pause, right? 

Because the distractions are a big part of what happens immediately prior to a serious event in many cases. And distractions are units of information that are distracting you from what you have to do in front of you. It could be, how are you doing that day?

Absolutely. Absolutely. Like I said, I’ve never seen a guy in a good mood when his wife yells at him on the way out the door. It doesn’t work. Well, I have, but maybe those guys are.

It’s a different story, different problem.

Maybe I’ve never been in a mood when I’ve been yelled at on the way out the door.

Any other lessons in leadership that you bring to some of the speaking engagements, the training programs that you do?

Well, there’s lots, right? I mean; to get into them, I have a website. You can go to www.dancomiskey.com. And there’s all sorts of stuff on there. The reality is it’s… I mean, there’s so many, right? I can get into… Well, I’ll give you a couple more. So, a lot of what we have to really acknowledge is how powerful we are. And that really comes with understanding how powerful your decisions are, because we can’t do anything without a team around us, but everybody affects the team, right? Sure. One of the things I talk about in some of my presentations is the butterfly effect. And I’ll bring my brother into this. So, my brother was a linesman, and he was up in the bucket. And the common practice of the day was to change out of his double-insulated gloves into leather gloves at the end of the day to clean. And that’s what they would do. When they’re tidying up at the end of the day, that’s just one of the common practices of the day. Okay. And on this particular day, it was really hot. It was Saint Catherine summer, and it was, whatever, let’s call it 100 degrees.

But it was the area swim through. Essentially, he lost his balance. He grabbed the wrong wire, and he died. And so, the question to me was, how did he have those gloves on? At first, you’re angry that he had the gloves on. The guy was a hard work. He was a great brother. He was a great son to his father. He was a great son to my mother. He’s a really good man. But you ask that question, right? Why did he have those gloves on? And so, something’s missing. So then how many people knew that that was a common practice? Because if you work in electricity, you know that’s a risk.

Yes.

Right? And so, if I said it’s 100 people a day, like 100 times a day, somebody thinks we shouldn’t do this, or 100 people that are in that business know that that’s a risk, and they know it’s a risk that’s happening every day, right? That means every day there’s a decision for people to not do anything about it. And so, if you go 300 days in a year, you got 30,000 opportunities where somebody could have stepped in, and they could have done something. That’s a lot of opportunities. That’s the domino effect in reverse. How many things had to go wrong for Augie to die. How many people had to not talk for Augie to die? We’ve got these opportunities to intervene all the time. I’ll tell you another personal story here. I had a daughter who was very sick, and she was born with multi-organ failure. She was in the NSEU. We were 94 days in the hospital with her. In those 94 days, she had 72 procedures. She had heart surgery that put her in a coma. She’s there, and she’s there and she’s in a coma. And the doctors kept on saying to my ex-wife and I that we’re going to have to unplug her.

So that’s awful. It was an awful time. When you’re looking at this kid, she’s in a coma. Well, but she’s like, what’s the right thing to do? After a few to four times, we started thinking, okay, it’s time to unplug her. And we’re doing last rights. We’re praying on her. And the nurse practitioner, Cathy, comes running in. She says, what are you doing? Well, we’re going to unplug her because this is what we’re told, right? She says, No, you’re not. We have to have a meeting to make sure that all of the doctors are going to agree with this because she’s for every organ. She’s got brain damage, heart damage, liver damage, kidney damage, stomach damage, every organ. She had eight organs that were… We get this meeting together, and all the doctors agreed that the organs were working within reasonable amount, but they weren’t communicating, and they didn’t know why she wouldn’t wake up. So, the conversation went from, do we unplug her, or do we give her time? We gave her time, and now she’s a creative writing student in university. She So you say, well, who helped that? Who saved her?

And so, did Cathy save her? If you ask Cathy, she was given that procedure by the doctor who wanted us to unplug her as a safety net. She had the power to call that meeting. So, she called that meeting. So, was it her or was it the doctor that created the procedure? And then you go to him, and he says, well, you played in the CFL, you’re broke, right? You want to thank somebody for saving your daughter. Thank Tommy Douglas. Because Tommy Douglas is… So, was it Tommy Douglas or was it the doctor? Because I’ve got this is a $3 million baby. How do you How do you rectify that? Well, Tommy Douglas was an immigrant from Scotland. Do you know Tommy Douglas’s story?

Yeah, I do.

So, he’s an immigrant from Scotland, right? He’s brought into Canada. He’s just outside of Winnipeg. And He has an injury to his leg that turns into an infection. They’re going to have to amputate his leg, and they don’t have anybody to do… They don’t have any money to pay for a surgery. There’s a doctor coming through town who’s going to start a school of medicine in Winnipeg. He’s got students with him, and he says, I’ll do the surgery and save the leg if I can, if I can let my students watch. Parents agree. Leg gets saved. Tommy becomes a boxer. Tommy becomes passionate about medical assistance for everybody in Canada and creates the system. So you go, well, how far back does it go? Because is it the doctor? Or was it his parents? Or was it… How far? And you just realize, well, number one, it’s a miracle. I’ve said it a couple of times already. I’m a thank God guy, and I don’t know how you wouldn’t if you were me. That’s first. But I think also God created this procedure, where all these people are involved in saving my daughter. And then you look at it and you say, well, so now what’s she going to do with her life? 

Who’s she going to help? Who’s she going to save? And who am I going to save? And Eric, who are you going to save? What are you going to do? Is it the kid next door? Is it somebody that’s broken down on the way to the cottage and they’ve got no gas in the car, or they’ve got a flat tire? And maybe it’s cold enough that if things go just wrong, they die because I know what it’s like up north. Or is it saying the right thing? Or is it saving a guy from wearing the wrong gloves 10 years from now? Because you don’t have to change the whole world with everything you do, but everything you do can change the world.

Everything you can. Yeah.

Right. Right. So, to me, people forget how powerful they are. So, when I go out and I speak, what I try to do is I try to empower the audience. I do safety presentations. I do leadership presentations. I try not to get into the sad stuff. There is sad stuff. People have sad stuff. Everybody’s been punched in the stomach by life, and that’s part of life. But I try to leave them with that understanding of that it’s not just It’s power, but it’s responsibility to actually take part in taking care of people, whether that’s interventions, helping somebody that’s working with you, whatever it is, that’s the empowerment part of it. When I talk about the butterfly effect, that’s really where it hits for me.

I think that’s a really powerful one because when you’re thinking about your brother as an example, there’s a brother sister’s keeper, which people keep talking about, but often don’t interpret it this way, which is each moment opportunity. But you’ve got leaders who are seeing something, not saying something. And so, everybody has an opportunity to step in. And you may choose not to, but there’s an entire poem that was written on that.

Yeah, you choose not to, but it’s still a choice.

It is a choice, right.

And that’s a domino.

Correct. That’s a domino. Or you can say something and the power of that can be substantial.

Yeah, exactly. Thank you for listening and understanding.

So, you’ve got a podcast. You mentioned your website. If somebody is interested in reaching out to you, what’s the best way to do it? And also, how do they get to your podcast?

So, you can find my podcast on YouTube. But I do have to say that some things are changing in my business, and there’s some amazing… I’m involved with an amazing new partnership that I’m really excited about, and it’s going to change the direction of my podcast, too. One of the things that happened the last year since I started the podcast is I’ve spoken to a lot of men about mental health and women about mental health, leaders about mental health. And I’ve realized how much of a… There’s such a connection between safety and mental health. 100 %. Most of what we talked about today, resonates on that line. So, I’ve gotten together with a fellow named Ian France. He approached me about doing an across Canada tour. We’re calling it Breakfast with Champions. We’re going to bring experts in, leaders in the field of mental health, as well as people who have just persevered. We’re going to be talking. We’re going to be putting breakfast together in every city that we can. We’re starting in Edmonton and Regina. It appears that July will be the start date.

Good time to do that, not December, January.

That’s right. You read my mail now. Those are going to be the Florida trips. What we’re trying to do is we’re trying to not only give people motivation and someone that understands that there are mental health issues, but we’re trying to give them tools. What can we do with these mental health situations? We’ll have keynotes at every event. It won’t be me necessarily, likely won’t be me. It’ll be somebody that’s local that’s prevalent who’s in that arena of mental health. Like I said, we leave people with resources, and we’re looking to change the country because we know that right Well, I’ll just say it. I’ve seen too many of my friends from the CFL die, not only on the streets, to addiction, to depression, and that’s just a game. In Canada, it’s a huge deal right now. There are so many things going on. Eric, you see in Toronto, but in small towns, the homeless situation is insane. It all starts with people getting lost. We got to make a change. We’re trying to make some big domino effects with that.

Excellent. Excellent. And on your website, again, if somebody wants to get in touch with you or would like you to come talk or present to them.

Thank you. https://www.dancomiskey.com/. I’ll throw in the description on anything I do, but yeah, https://www.dancomiskey.com/. So, if you think Comiskey Ball Park, same spelling.

Excellent. Well, Dan, thank you so much for joining me today and sharing your stories from football into safety. I think it’s been a Really good overview of themes, ideas, and quite motivating. So, thank you.

Thank you very much for your time, Eric. I appreciate you having me on.

Excellent. Thank you.

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Dan Comiskey is a dynamic and inspirational speaker renowned for his ability to deliver impactful keynote presentations to audiences across diverse industries. Drawing on over 20 years of professional football experience and more than a decade in industrial safety leadership, Dan has honed his expertise in leadership, accountability, resilience, and the power of creating mindful habits.

Dan’s journey, marked by overcoming adversity and achieving excellence in high-pressure environments, forms the foundation of his motivational presentations. He skillfully tailors his messages to resonate with a variety of audiences, whether addressing frontline workers, corporate leadership teams, or attendees at sports, business, or industry conferences. His versatility and ability to connect make him a sought-after choice for organizations aiming to inspire and engage their teams.

From cultivating a culture of safety to fostering resilience and teamwork, Dan’s keynote presentations go beyond inspiration—they provide actionable insights that empower his audience to create huge changes over time. His approachable style and deep understanding of diverse challenges ensure his message resonates with every audience.

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